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[ertzog]

.. . But of course the anti-gun point is NOT to "solve crime"; the point is to make ammunition sales so expensive that people will not be able to afford it.  ...

well, duh.

[Smithers]

Does ammo in a proper ammo box keep more or less indefinitely?

[Bitsko]

Does ammo in a proper ammo box keep more or less indefinitely?

Yes, more or less.

My shooting buddy has several cases of shotgun shells from c. 1950.  They shoot OK but are a little light on recoil (subjective measurement).  I've been shooting with Mickey, using Nazi-headstamped 8mm ammo from c. 1939 and it shot great.  I've also used WW-II vintage Russian ammo, but there were a lot of hang-fires with that.  Put it in a cool, dry place, keep the temperature constant (and low), keep the humidity low, and I think you're good to go for 50+ years.

[Smithers]

When my grandpa died and we had to go through all his things, we found a couple boxes of Winchester 30-30 that had to be at least 35-40 years old.  Some of the casings had longitudinal 5+mm hairline cracks where the casing meets the bullet.  Throat?  Those were given to the PD for disposal.

There's a few boxes of assorted 40 year-old crap up at the cabin that should probably be disposed of, too. 

[papaimp]

I've got to go through, and dispose of, quite a bit of my stored ammo. I have a bunch of 7.62/54 that regularly misfires.

Spent $260 on permits today, for me and my wife. I haven't carried for several years, but with lifetime permit availability, I figured I should sign up. Better to have and not need, than need and not have.

[Oo-v-oO]

NH Safety Dept to police: End firearms checks
 
CONCORD, N.H. (AP) -- The New Hampshire Department of Safety has ordered law enforcement agencies to stop running background checks before returning confiscated firearms to their owners, saying it's a misuse of the system.

The New Hampshire Union Leader reports assistant commissioner Earl Sweeney sent a memo on Sept. 28 to police throughout the state. It reminded them that the National Instant Criminal Background Check System can be used only by federally licensed gun manufacturers, importers and dealers.

Sweeney says police checks before returning confiscated firearms exceeds the authority granted to the Safety Department by the Legislature.

The order is in response to a complaint filed with the state by Concord attorney Evan Nappen, who specializes in weapons law. He contacted the state after Manchester police ran an NICS check on one of his clients.

 

[Oo-v-oO]

From the AP:

Justices extend gun owner rights nationwide


WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court held Monday that Americans have the right to own a gun for self-defense anywhere they live, advancing a recent trend by the John Roberts-led bench to embrace gun rights.

By a 5-4 vote, the justices cast doubt on handgun bans in the Chicago area, but signaled that some limitations on the Constitution's "right to keep and bear arms" could survive legal challenges.

Justice Samuel Alito, writing for the court, said that the Second Amendment right "applies equally to the federal government and the states."

The court was split along familiar ideological lines, with five conservative-moderate justices in favor of gun rights and four liberals opposed. Chief Justice Roberts voted with the majority.

Two years ago, the court declared that the Second Amendment protects an individual's right to possess guns, at least for purposes of self-defense in the home.

That ruling applied only to federal laws. It struck down a ban on handguns and a trigger lock requirement for other guns in the District of Columbia, a federal city with unique legal standing. At the same time, the court was careful not to cast doubt on other regulations of firearms here.

Gun rights proponents almost immediately filed a federal lawsuit challenging gun control laws in Chicago and its suburb of Oak Park, Ill, where handguns have been banned for nearly 30 years. The Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence says those laws appear to be the last two remaining outright bans.

Lower federal courts upheld the two laws, noting that judges on those benches were bound by Supreme Court precedent and that it would be up to the high court justices to ultimately rule on the true reach of the Second Amendment.

The Supreme Court already has said that most of the guarantees in the Bill of Rights serve as a check on state and local, as well as federal, laws.

Monday's decision did not explicitly strike down the Chicago area laws. Instead, it ordered a federal appeals court to reconsider its ruling. But it left little doubt that the statutes eventually would fall.

Still, Alito noted that the declaration that the Second Amendment is fully binding on states and cities "limits (but by no means eliminates) their ability to devise solutions to social problems that suit local needs and values."

Justices John Paul Stevens and Stephen Breyer, joined by Justices Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Sonia Sotomayor, each wrote a dissent. Stevens, in his final day on the bench after more than 34 years, said that unlike the Washington case, Monday's decision "could prove far more destructive — quite literally — to our nation's communities and to our constitutional structure."

The ruling seemed unlikely to resolve questions and ongoing legal challenges about precisely what sort of gun control laws are permissible.

The response of the District to the court's ruling in 2008 is illustrative of the uncertainty.

Local lawmakers in Washington, D.C. imposed a series of regulations on handgun ownership, including requirements to register weapons and to submit to a multiple-choice test, fingerprinting and a ballistics test. Owners must also show they have gotten classroom instruction on handling a gun and have spent at least an hour on the firing range. Some 800 people have now registered handguns in the city.

Anticipating a similar result in their case, Chicago lawmakers are looking at even more stringent regulations.

But the new regulations themselves are likely to themselves be the subject of lawsuits, a fact noted by the dissenting justices Monday. Already in Washington, Dick Heller, the plaintiff in the original case before the Supreme Court, has sued the city over its new laws.

Heller argues that the stringent restrictions violate the intent of the high court's decision. So far a federal judge has upheld the limitations, but the case has been appealed.

Wayne LaPierre, executive vice president of the National Rifle Association, said his politically powerful group "will continue to work at every level to insure that defiant city councils and cynical politicians do not transform this constitutional victory into a practical defeat through Byzantine regulations and restrictions."

New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg, an ardent proponent of gun control, said the ruling allows cities "to keep guns out of the hands of criminals and terrorists while at the same time respecting the constitutional rights of law-abiding citizens."

[Smithers]

I would love to have been in the room when Li'l Richie found out.  I'll bet he turned purple.

[Smithers]

CHICAGO - With the holiday weekend at an end, shootings in the city continued unabated with at least two people dead following a dozen shootings on the West and south sides since Monday evening, according to the Chicago Police Department.

[minemapper]

How's life in the war zone...

[ertzog]

nothing will end soon.... they read the sc opinion with a magnifying glass and chicago's answer is a new law that bans gun shops and declares that any gun outside of ones permanent residence is an illegal gun.

inside? ok.  on the porch, in the yard, on the steps? go to jail.

yea, they will be fighting the nra anti-anygunlaw warchest, for decades.